February 15, 1963
THE FISHERMAN
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More Questions in House But Answers' Unchanged
Members of opposition parties in the federal House continued to pepper federal minister of fisheries J. Angus MacLean with questions concerning his plans for the North Pacific Treaty and the Commission's recommendations but the minister continued evading the issue until the last.
Pointed queries on fisheries were put to him on Friday, February 1, Monday, February 4, and Tuesday, February 5, by NDP members of parliament Colin Cameron, Frank Howard, and Tom Barnett, and Liberal MP Arthur Laing, but J. Angus MacLean wasn't talking.
Following is the exchange as recorded in Hansard in the dying days of the last session.
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February 1
REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE OF REPORT OF NORTH PACIFIC COMMISSION
On the orders of the day:
Colin Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowi-chian-The Islands): Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the minister of fisheries if any progress has been made in the matter of referring the recommendations of the North Pacific Commission to the committee on marine and fisheries?
Hon. J. A. MacLean (minister of fisheries): I have nothing to add to the answer which I have given on, I think, three previous occasions.
Frank Howard (Skeena): I wish to direct a supplementary question to the prime minister and ask bim whether any action has been taken by the government to approve by order in council the two specific recommendations by the International North Pacific Fisheries Commission that Japan be allowed to fish herring off the west coast of the Queen Charlotte Islands and halibut in the Bering Sea.
Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (prime minister): No, Mr. Speaker.
★ ★ ★ PUNTLEDGE RIVER, BC — WORKS TO PROTECT FISH
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On the orders of the day: T. S. Barnett (Comox-Alberni):
I wish to address a question to the minister of fisheries. Has the minister received any commitment from the government of British Columbia that they are prepared to see that protective works are constructed on the Puntledge River to protect the fish runs which are at present being damaged by the installations of BC Hydro?
Mr. Speaker: I think that question should go on the order paper. It is important, or may be important, locally, but it is a matter of detail.
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February 4
REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE OF REPORT OF NORTH PACIFIC COMMISSION
On the orders of the day: Frank Howard (Skeena): I should like to direct a question to the minister of fisheries, and ask whether in the quiet moments over
the weekend he came to a decision about referring the recommendations on the International North Pacific Commission regarding halibut and herring stocks to the marine and fisheries committee.
Hon. J. A. MacLean (minister of fisheries): No, Mr. Speaker. REPORTED STATEMENT BY MINISTER RESPECTING NORTH PACIFIC TREATY On the orders of the day: Colin Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowi-chan-The Islands): Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the minister of fisheries. According to a report appearing in a Toronto Japanese language newspaper the minister is reported as having promised the Japanese minister of agriculture in Tokyo, Mr. Shige-masa, that he will do his utmost in seeking a review of the Japanese - Canadian - US North Pacific Fishery Treaty with Mr. Stewart Udall, US secretary of the interior. Could I ask the minister if this includes the recommendation to amend the annex to the treaty proposed by the North Pacific Fisheries Commission?
Hon. J. A. MacLean (minister of fisheries): Mr. Speaker, the report if correctly quoted is garbled and does not reflect at all correctly any discussions- between myself and Mr. Shigemasa.
Colin Cameron. (Nanaimo-Cowi-chan-The Islands): May I ask a supplementary question. Could the minister tell us what he did say in Tokyo?
Mr. Speaker: Order. That is not a subject for this time of the day. ★ ★ ★
February 5
NORTH PACIFIC FISHERIES COMMISSION — INQUIRY AS TO RECOMMENDATIONS
On the orders of the day: Arthur Laing (Vancouver South): Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask a question of the secretary of state for external affairs. In respect of the International North Pacific Fisheries Commission, is it true that this question is now lodged with his department, and if so, would he be prepared soon to give the House a statement of policy?
Hon. Howard C. Green (secretary of state for external affairs): Mr. Speaker, this question will have to be dealt with by the cabinet.
BRITISH COLUMBIA — PROTECTION OF SALMON RUNS
T. S. Barnett (Comox-Alberni):
In view of the remarks made earlier by the minister of public works about reaching an accord with the government of British Columbia, I should like to ask the
minister of fisheries whether he has been able to reach an accord with the government of British Columbia on the matter of protecting salmon runs from the effects of hydro installations on certain rivers.
Hon. J. A. MacLean (minister of fisheries): Clarifications by correspondence are proceeding, I consider, satisfactorily.
REFERENCE TO COMMITTEE OF REPORT OF NORTH PACIFIC COMMISSION
On the orders of the day:
Frank Howard (Skeena): I wish te pose a question for the minister of fisheries with respect to the recommendations of the North Pacific Fisheries Commission about herring and halibut, and ask whether he has yet made up his mind to refer this question to the marine and fisheries committee before the cabinet or parliament makes any determination about it.
•Hon. J. A. MacLean (minister of fisheries): Mr. Speaker, I have nothing to add further to the answers I have already given to similar questions.
Mr. Howard: I have a supplementary question. Can the minister explain what the result is when he adds nothing to nothing?
Mr. Speaker: Order: I think the honorable member might well reflect upon the answer.
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Editor, The Fisherman:
It is good to see Johnny Donaldson's name in the columns of The Fisherman again (January 11), but to some extent I feel he is writing with tongue in cheek.
He well knows if every independent fisherman who could sell his production to the Cooperative were to do so, this would still leave the major portion of the production in in the hands of the fishing companies.
This condition holds as good today as at any time since the Fishermen's Cooperative entered the industry.
If the Union did not take the job of organising this section of producers and carrying forward their struggles for a greater share in the wealth they are creating, who would do the job?
Johnny Donaldson well knows that neither the fishermen's cooperatives nor the Union are an end in themselves in this struggle, but each in its own way serves its purpose toward educating its membership that as producers they are entitled to a fairer share of their production than they are receiving at the present time.
The early days of the promotion of the Fishermen's Cooperative and the Union are quite vivid in my memory as well as Johnny Donaldson's, but I like to remember those days as the days when the fishermen's cooperatives worked in very close harmony with the entire trade union movement of Canada as well as the fishermen's unions.
I will never forget during the early thirties, I believe it was, when the miners of Sudbury put up their heroic battle against International Nickel Company and the call went out for funds to carry this great struggle to its successful conclusion. The fishermen's cooperatives at that time donated hundreds of dollars at their annual meetings as a show of working class solidarity.
What has happened to this militant spirit that was evident when these fishermen's cooperatives were first formed? I don't think you could get financial support to the same extent today at an annual meeting for a similar strike situation.
I feel in part it is due to statements like that in Johnny Donaldson's letter that George Miller "thought the Fishermen's Cooperative was a threat to the Union." George Miller at no time ever thought any such thing and to say he did is to blaspheme his name.
When Johnny Donaldson says such a thing he is doing a disservice to both Cooperative and Union membership, when he poses the question as either the Cooperative or the Union being a threat to each other.
The Fishermen's Cooperative and the Union are basically both working class organisations and should strive to be complementary to each other or work toward that objective.
Let us find our common ground where our aims and objectives meet and go forward from there to meet our common enemy together. Right today, at membership level, the feeling is fairly close but the same cannot be said at directors' level in the Fishermen's Cooperative.
The directors of the Prince Rupert Co-op are finding themselves more and more in the enemies' camp. This becomes apparent for all to see when the directors endorse ratification of the tripartite treaty extending the right to the Japanese interests to fish for herring off the Queen Charlotte Islands and halibut in the eastern Bering Sea.
Such a position is not in the best interests of the rank and file members of the Prince Rupert Fishermen's Co-op any more than it is in their interest to have disunity between rank and file members of the fishermen's unions in the fishing industry, or the trade unions as a whole. .
I think the Prince Rupert Co-op membership should take a close look to see why there should be any more differences between the Co-op and the unions today than there was 25 years ago.
Has the trade union movement changed in 25 years or have the Co-op directors changed?
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